In your position, to find a job, you need Top 5s. In fact, even top 5s might not be enough. You need to be considered as truly innovative/leading experts in your area. Without knowing that you can do this, you should consider your postdoc as the last stop of your career
The market is brutal
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true i think. you also need to accept that if you're not considered as truly innovative or leader of your field, quit and that's okay.
In your position, to find a job, you need Top 5s. In fact, even top 5s might not be enough. You need to be considered as truly innovative/leading experts in your area. Without knowing that you can do this, you should consider your postdoc as the last stop of your career
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I didn’t go to the market because I got that postdoc (it was a two year position and I managed to both publish, teach, do admin tasks like an AP), not sure what to do now.
But others went to market in that normal year and got TT jobs. Ergo, you know you were going to fail the market in a normal year, or you would have gone for a TT job rather than a postdoc, correct?
You took a bet and it did not pay off. Lesson learned.
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When you say second top fields, do you mean joirnals like JHR or journals like JEDC? In the former case, I am a little surprise. In the latter case, it sounds normal.
Given the state of the macro market vs the applied micro market, JEDC is a much better publication than JHR. JEDC = second tier pub in hot market. JHR = second tier pub in crowded market.
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You need to be black or female primarily.
In your position, to find a job, you need Top 5s. In fact, even top 5s might not be enough. You need to be considered as truly innovative/leading experts in your area. Without knowing that you can do this, you should consider your postdoc as the last stop of your career
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When you say second top fields, do you mean joirnals like JHR or journals like JEDC? In the former case, I am a little surprise. In the latter case, it sounds normal.
When someone says "second top fields" without specifying it, they mean a random journal like PLoS ONE.
R/tard detected. Can't they just want to avoid revealing their identities?
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Haha, this logically implies an equilibrium of only leaders. So many problems with that, but the notion that you need to be truly exceptional to get a job is probably not wrong. What a $hit state the econ PhD labor market is in.
true i think. you also need to accept that if you're not considered as truly innovative or leader of your field, quit and that's okay.
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My department has hired HRM post-docs who got their PHDs in LRM places. Our results have been mixed. The most common scenario is that our colleagues continue working with their HRM advisor in topics the HRM advisor is known for and never developed his or her own research agenda. However, we also have had cases where our colleague turned out to be very good in terms of publications outcomes, etc. We usually lift up the phone (we'll do Zoom calls now) to their HRM advisors and ask them directly. They tend to be very candid where there is not written records of their assessments.
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postdoc (unless having a TT offer lined up afterwards) == failed the market
always remember thatI am a former post doc without a TT offer lined up. i was lucky and got a tt offer by the width of my hair. things worked out, but I wouldn't say that this should be the expected outcome.
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Apparently completely wrong.I didn’t go to the market because I got that postdoc (it was a two year position and I managed to both publish, teach, do admin tasks like an AP), not sure what to do now.
But others went to market in that normal year and got TT jobs. Ergo, you know you were going to fail the market in a normal year, or you would have gone for a TT job rather than a postdoc, correct?
Because I wanted to go to an HRM place once in my life, and I hope this will open doors to better placements. How wrong was I?
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I didn’t go to the market because I got that postdoc (it was a two year position and I managed to both publish, teach, do admin tasks like an AP), not sure what to do now.
But others went to market in that normal year and got TT jobs. Ergo, you know you were going to fail the market in a normal year, or you would have gone for a TT job rather than a postdoc, correct?
Because I wanted to go to an HRM place once in my life, and I hope this will open doors to better placements. How wrong was I?
Apparently completely wrong.
yeah. that's just so naive.
HRM posdoc even with field top pubs = failed the JM last year << fresh MRM PhD with a decent JMP and without any R&R
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yeah. that's just so naive.
HRM posdoc even with field top pubs = failed the JM last year << fresh MRM PhD with a decent JMP and without any R&ROn average perhaps. But, there is tons of heterogeneity in what schools look for.
Sorry OP. Hang in there - something will turn up. As someone who failed the market once, I know how painful it can be.
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But others went to market in that normal year and got TT jobs. Ergo, you know you were going to fail the market in a normal year, or you would have gone for a TT job rather than a postdoc, correct?
Because I wanted to go to an HRM place once in my life, and I hope this will open doors to better placements. How wrong was I?
Apparently completely wrong.
yeah. that's just so naive.
HRM posdoc even with field top pubs = failed the JM last year << fresh MRM PhD with a decent JMP and without any R&RNot the main reason why it's a tough situation