OP, if you move out of academia, please please post your referee reports on the internet and expose them.
The market is brutal
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Yeah, but not because that fulfills any particular need, but because there are no jobs.
Not having an independent research agenda from your postdoc advisor is a strange thing to select against. More than one person can work in a field. Having a wide network is also a great way to succeed (pubs/grants/impact/teaching) on metrics that matter. As long as the skillsets are not already duplicate to the place hiring, that person would bring key needed skills.
The issue comes down simply to the market is terrible, and has been headed that way for awhile. 15 years ago you would have easily had your choice of jobs even if you were nothing but an RA.In op's particular situation, he has to be more than just an extension/subordinate of his postdoc adviser.
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What a complete i//d//i//o//t completely out of touch with how these work these days yet spreading insecurity
postdoc (unless having a TT offer lined up afterwards) == failed the market
always remember thatstay mad. im just spitting facts, bruh
I would be much more worried when I see postdocs coming from highly ranked programs. The obvious question is why he didn't find a job on the first attempt.
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What a complete i//d//i//o//t completely out of touch with how these work these days yet spreading insecurity
postdoc (unless having a TT offer lined up afterwards) == failed the market
always remember thatstay mad. im just spitting facts, bruh
I would be much more worried when I see postdocs coming from highly ranked programs. The obvious question is why he didn't find a job on the first attempt.
The market isn't perfect
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If I got a choice again, I will stay in China and take a job with peace. But I don'g regret, since it's simply the cost for a dream.
Sorry OP, that sucks.
I agree with those who say you should look to the government or private sector, rather than stick with academia. I'm at one of the CSUs, and while it's a secure job, it's not what I would call intellectually stimulating. If I had it to do over again, I'd have stuck with my pre-PhD career and never set foot on a college campus until I was taking my kids for visits or to drop them off freshman year. -
Happens regularly
What a complete i//d//i//o//t completely out of touch with how these work these days yet spreading insecurity
postdoc (unless having a TT offer lined up afterwards) == failed the market
always remember thatstay mad. im just spitting facts, bruh
I would be much more worried when I see postdocs coming from highly ranked programs. The obvious question is why he didn't find a job on the first attempt.
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No, the top programs are the issue: the top 20 programs produce 400+ econ phds per year.
The PhD supply glut needs to be addressed. Admitting new PhD students at non-Top-5 programs is basically exploitation at this point.
That's why I said Top-5 (which produce about 80-100 JMCs per year). Definitely all non-Top-5 programs (including programs 6-20) should suspend admissions for at least 3-4 years.
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No, then you are creating monopolies and monsters at the same time.
No, the top programs are the issue: the top 20 programs produce 400+ econ phds per year.
The PhD supply glut needs to be addressed. Admitting new PhD students at non-Top-5 programs is basically exploitation at this point.
That's why I said Top-5 (which produce about 80-100 JMCs per year). Definitely all non-Top-5 programs (including programs 6-20) should suspend admissions for at least 3-4 years.
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What a complete i//d//i//o//t completely out of touch with how these work these days yet spreading insecurity
stay mad. im just spitting facts, bruh
I would be much more worried when I see postdocs coming from highly ranked programs. The obvious question is why he didn't find a job on the first attempt.
The market isn't perfect
Market is the most efficient at the top
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No, the top programs are the issue: the top 20 programs produce 400+ econ phds per year.
The PhD supply glut needs to be addressed. Admitting new PhD students at non-Top-5 programs is basically exploitation at this point.
That's why I said Top-5 (which produce about 80-100 JMCs per year). Definitely all non-Top-5 programs (including programs 6-20) should suspend admissions for at least 3-4 years.
What are you talking about? The within program variation in outcomes far exceeds the variance across schools in the top 5 relative to 6-20. Additionally, our students (we are 11-20) are actually finding good jobs even in the pandemic. Two students got private sector jobs in the 230-270k range. Two others got international organization type of jobs earning in the 100-150 range in great cities and solving their joint location problem. Three others just completed their 20+ interviews, including many in academia ranked in the top 20. Surely this represents the better outcomes from this cohort. But why would you want to shut off this productive activity? Our provost would be the first to protest.
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OP sorry for your current situation. Academic market is brutal this year. But corporate market is not that bad. I would suggest you use your current HRM connections and find a job in corporate world. It may hurt your ego in the short run. In the long run, you are going to make lot more money than most professors.
I did that. And although I am not that successful, I make $300K after 7 years. Work life is not too bad. 8:30-6:30.
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What industry?
OP sorry for your current situation. Academic market is brutal this year. But corporate market is not that bad. I would suggest you use your current HRM connections and find a job in corporate world. It may hurt your ego in the short run. In the long run, you are going to make lot more money than most professors.
I did that. And although I am not that successful, I make $300K after 7 years. Work life is not too bad. 8:30-6:30. -
In your position, to find a job, you need Top 5s. In fact, even top 5s might not be enough. You need to be considered as truly innovative/leading experts in your area. Without knowing that you can do this, you should consider your postdoc as the last stop of your career
disagree. i think coupld of top fields suffice.
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yeah. that's just so naive.
HRM posdoc even with field top pubs = failed the JM last year << fresh MRM PhD with a decent JMP and without any R&Ri think you are right. but why is it that fresh MRM PhD without any R&R or pubs >> postdoc with top field? isn't the latter a stronger signal..?
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What industry?
OP sorry for your current situation. Academic market is brutal this year. But corporate market is not that bad. I would suggest you use your current HRM connections and find a job in corporate world. It may hurt your ego in the short run. In the long run, you are going to make lot more money than most professors.
I did that. And although I am not that successful, I make $300K after 7 years. Work life is not too bad. 8:30-6:30.
Finance. But it is not limited to finance. Tech pays well.