This thread is immensely helpful.
UK departments, how would you rate them?
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^ yes, whichever way you look at it, the strategy of the main professional association of academic economists in the UK is not doing anything to save the discipline from death. I wouldn't be surprised if Econ is merged with business in REFs beyond 2020. Think about it: the quality of research of any department submitted to the Econ panel is far above any in the business panel outside the top 7/8. And yet, Econ departments keep disappearing (and not for lack of students).
I agree. With my research profile (I am an economist in a business school) I will be a stronger candidate in a business school than in Economics. And I know that economics schools won't give a s**te about my industry based research (I publish in both Keele and ABS journals), so I am effectively lost for economics schools even though I can contribute in terms of both teaching and research. So from my perspective - the more economics departments move to B schools the better for my career. Not that I will want to stay in the UK postbrexit (and I am a British citizen)
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moreover economists will be evaluated using ABS. This means: tourism research and research policy = 4 while AEJs and JPUBE = 3
^ yes, whichever way you look at it, the strategy of the main professional association of academic economists in the UK is not doing anything to save the discipline from death. I wouldn't be surprised if Econ is merged with business in REFs beyond 2020. Think about it: the quality of research of any department submitted to the Econ panel is far above any in the business panel outside the top 7/8. And yet, Econ departments keep disappearing (and not for lack of students).
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And the fact that only 25 or so departments will be submitted out of close to 80 institutions who teach economics degrees is a failure of the UK's economics profession represented by the RES.
It's a response to incentives. It's much easier to get the top grades in Business than it is in economics, so universities push the economists into Business schools.
But I agree that the REF induced turnover is absurd. Credit should go to the institution that appears on the publication
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I'd actually like to know about the 'rest'/'toilet'. How do the other Russell Group unis stack up?
York, Edinburgh, Manchester, Bristol, St Andrews, Leeds, etc.
Not asking about UG/PhD. Asking about research/work happening/influence.St Andrews is in freefall.
Good young people, almost uniformly bad senior people. Head of school not helping.
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1. LBS
2. Oxford
3. LSE
4. Imperial
5. CASS
6. Cambridge
7. Warwick
8. Manchester
No idea who is going up/down.Should clarify- this list is Finance not Econ!
For this Finance list, I would like to add Lancaster as 9th and I've noticed Bath has published a few in top 3 finance journals recently, so they deserve the 10th place. Have no idea about Econ.
9. Lancaster
10. Bath -
I'd actually like to know about the 'rest'/'toilet'. How do the other Russell Group unis stack up?
York, Edinburgh, Manchester, Bristol, St Andrews, Leeds, etc.
Not asking about UG/PhD. Asking about research/work happening/influence.St Andrews is in freefall.
Good young people, almost uniformly bad senior people. Head of school not helping.
I've heard the young people are heading for the exits.
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I'd actually like to know about the 'rest'/'toilet'. How do the other Russell Group unis stack up?
York, Edinburgh, Manchester, Bristol, St Andrews, Leeds, etc.
Not asking about UG/PhD. Asking about research/work happening/influence.St Andrews is in freefall.
Good young people, almost uniformly bad senior people. Head of school not helping.
I've heard the young people are heading for the exits.
Unfortunately yes, Again, blame the head of department.
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St Andrews is in freefall.
Good young people, almost uniformly bad senior people. Head of school not helping.
I've heard the young people are heading for the exits.
Unfortunately yes, Again, blame the head of department.
at least threemore leaving this year, no effort to keep them...