Is she gonna do
reg y X gender
for the rest of her life?Are you "gonna" be a seething lncel, worried about what Wu is publishing for the rest of your life?
How pathetic. Grow up.
Listen son. Our profession is justified on the grounds that publications = quality research. That’s how we get away with 6 figure salaries paid mostly so that we get to work in papers we like. This threatens it all.
No one is interested in replicating this boring paper. Even if you show some fundamental error in the code they'll accuse of sexism and ignore you. Don't bother.Congrats to her, now let's see that data.
Anyone ready to attempt a reproduction (first) and perhaps even a replication?
I'm willing to bet that it won't be reproducible unless REStat got the actual scraped data from her and not just the code. If it did, I'm also willing to bet that ML bros who troll around here can beat her model.
I bet it would stoke some interest up. And if it is replicable, it should be acknowledged too.
In fact, to further elaborate: If it were not possible to both reproduce AND replicate the results, it should lead to a sincere discussion about what does the field understand by "replication" and whether the term is taken seriously or not.
This has been such a high profile paper (regardless of the issues that we've come to mention ITT) that the field would be forced to have that conversation... Which is more important than the gender one IMO (having gender equality in economics is pretty pointless if the field isn't actually as rigorous as it claims to be, it's an absolute travesty that the discussion on replication hasn't taken been the top 1 issue across all empirical fields).
If the results do turn to be both reproducible AND replicable, we will at least be able to still believe that even when it comes to these controversial and heavily political issues, the field is being rigorous when it comes to working with data, as opposed to the idea (sometimes expressed here) that these papers are published because of their claims rather than the quality and rigor of their work.
How wouldn't this be of interest? Yes, I'm aware that even if it replicates, there are some obvious issues with the paper. But if it doesn't, it can also be a great chance to have that conversation too. Several stakeholders across the globe need economics to, well, work and hopefully be useful - including economists themselves.
Look, the all-male editorial board of RESTAT had no choice but to accept this paper and quickly. Can you imagine the fallout on Twitter and elsewhere if they did not publish this? There would be public calls for explanations of why there are no women on the editorial board, etc. The editors are not stupid. This way they stay in charge and don't have to change anything, plus a bunch of famous people other than one now because everyone knows the paper is a POS
Exactly. “Professional” forum implies that it represents broadly the profession. Lame.
this is the first sentence of the abstract:
"This paper measures gender bias in what people say about women versus men in an anonymous online professional forum."
Who knew that EJMR is a "professional" forum? There is nothing professional about it.
Yeah I post on here regularly, and none of my degrees are in economics. I thought this was a forum for bodybuilders.
This paper is feeding a frenzy and hurting how we look to administrators despite our best efforts. Men in economics are now getting in trouble even for polite, innocent activities. Rumors go unchecked and exaggerated more. Yep, better follow the Pence rule unfortunately.
No one is allowed to speak up publicly on that stuff though so all we get is one side. Yes there’s some misogyny. And there’s some misandry, too. And it’s playing out in a gendered way. Publication bias file drawers all the misandry now.
Can we get a paper on how women are getting affirmative action, too? Maybe that helps to explain lower tenure rates down the road. Dare I even mention that as a possibility. But if you actually care about women, instead of ideology, you’ll want to look at these issues objectively.
Disclosure: I think that misogyny is prevalent in economics. I also think that Wu's paper (while interesting) does have methodological flaws that jeopardize her findings. I also think that the positive "mainstream" reaction to her paper does not invalidate her findings, assuming that her findings are completely true and bias-free. And -- my greatest criticism of the paper -- I think there are much better ways to investigate sexism in economics than through analyzing webscraped data from an anonymous board. The first alternative that comes to mind: qualitative research.How could there be misogyny in Econ when we barely can discuss research with a female junior with the doors closed without risking our careers? How could there by misogyny in Econ when women make say 30% of the JMC but 80% of the flyouts at the top places? How could there be misogyny in Econ when women have dedicated workshops, seminars and conferences, where it's your gender instead of your productivity what gets you in?
Is she gonna do
reg y X gender
for the rest of her life?Are you "gonna" be a seething lncel, worried about what Wu is publishing for the rest of your life?
How pathetic. Grow up.Listen son. Our profession is justified on the grounds that publications = quality research. That’s how we get away with 6 figure salaries paid mostly so that we get to work in papers we like. This threatens it all.
This. If she published her paper Journal of Feminist Economics or something like that I couldn't care less. Or Economics Letters. Maybe even JEBO could be justified, because the paper is actually a bit clever.
But Restat is a career-making journal, and it getting politicized like this hurts as all.
Ffs. Stop hyperventilating and pearl clutching everyone. As if this were the first sucky paper published in restat or any other good journal. This happens all the time. Go find something worthy to freak out about.
It's mostly one lncel nutter who doesn't have any degrees, let alone one in economics.
He spends his days logging in an out to respond to his inane ranting threads for dozens of pages.
Ffs. Stop hyperventilating and pearl clutching everyone. As if this were the first sucky paper published in restat or any other good journal. This happens all the time. Go find something worthy to freak out about.It's mostly one lncel nutter who doesn't have any degrees, let alone one in economics.
He spends his days logging in an out to respond to his inane ranting threads for dozens of pages.
Im happy to upload and link an imgur file with my doctoral diploma (with name removed, but timestamped) if yoh are willing to do the same. Deal?