Why didn't mods sticky Covid-19 threads like this? It would have been more effective calls.
What China is doing to Uighurs is the most f***d thing since the H*l*caust
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You are too rational
Yeah, it's pretty messed up, and the CCP has been headed in a tyrannical direction for years. But if you're going to compare quantitative damage (as EJMR likes to do), one kind of has to reflect on our own misdeeds (Saudi Arabia, Pinochet, the Iraq War, etc.). Should we sticky these as well?
Protip for all the irate Chinabros ITT: anti-China nutters don't buy the "tu quoque" whatabout argument when it's used against them. Because the Soviets overused it during the Cold War, the argument is strongly associated with Soviet (and by extension, Communist) propaganda. So anti-China nutters can spot whatabout from a mile away.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
Of course, this doesn't stop anti-China nutters from using whatabout for other things. I'm just saying that they will never accept it when it's used against them. -
So unfair
It's also disrespectful to both the Jewish community and those who suffered in the numerous atrocities since WW2. Of course, the CCP is a dictatorship that has only been getting worse since Xi, but it displays a bit of ignorance and prejudice to be posting everything you can grab from a Google search on Uighur suppression at the top of an economics job forum. I understand you want to air out your gripes against China at the most opportune time, but it trivializes everything else that has happened in the last 100 years, much of which you probably don't know or recall.
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Yeah, it's pretty messed up, and the CCP has been headed in a tyrannical direction for years. But if you're going to compare quantitative damage (as EJMR likes to do), one kind of has to reflect on our own misdeeds (Saudi Arabia, Pinochet, the Iraq War, etc.). Should we sticky these as well?
OP here. I'm German and so I definitely get your point. However we do and did pay tribute to these kinds of atrocities. I protested against the Iraq war and take my kids to Holocaust memorials and remembrance services, and that sort of thing.
What's happening in China is happening right now and is symptomatic of a far greater threat: a protracted Second Cold War (which I argue we have already been in for the last 10+ years) between the US, Europe, Saudi, Russia, and China. The arms race is heating up again in the United States, with billions in defense contracts being ramped up in the last few months alone. In the last 01 years we've seen assassinations, concentration camps, annexations, kidnappings, censorship, martial law, political imprisonment, curfews, cutting and restricting internet access, and many other horrific crimes against liberty. But no all-out war. This is what it will be like unless/until one set of countries gains a significant military advantage over another, which looks like it may happen with the advent of hypersonically-delivered nuclear warheads.
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Yeah, it's pretty messed up, and the CCP has been headed in a tyrannical direction for years. But if you're going to compare quantitative damage (as EJMR likes to do), one kind of has to reflect on our own misdeeds (Saudi Arabia, Pinochet, the Iraq War, etc.). Should we sticky these as well?
Protip for all the irate Chinabros ITT: anti-China nutters don't buy the "tu quoque" whatabout argument when it's used against them. Because the Soviets overused it during the Cold War, the argument is strongly associated with Soviet (and by extension, Communist) propaganda. So anti-China nutters can spot whatabout from a mile away.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
Of course, this doesn't stop anti-China nutters from using whatabout for other things. I'm just saying that they will never accept it when it's used against them.I think the anti-CCP sentiment is well-motivated, especially by a lot of posters and moderators who probably come from places marginalized by the CCP. It has clearly been taken over by nativists who have taken measures to control, imprison, and execute the minority opposition to a degree that hasn't been seen since many decades ago.
But the sentiment expressed in this thread and having it sticky is juvenile. Of course, tyrants will use "whatabout-ism" to justify their actions, but it's up to us to think about whether the comparisons are valid. Not every hypocrisy can be viewed through the lens of a 30-minute John Oliver summary. You have to actually think about which hypocrisies can be dismissed, and the answer is not every single one.
Comparing CCP actions to the Holocaust is a disgrace to the memory of what was endured by Jewish people, not to mention the other nations that suffered in WW2. It's fine to complain about the CCP, which is justified, but it's not ok to be so consumed by your temporary anger that you start making statements to incite hatred and dishonor history.
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As above. I'm German, from a half-Jewish family, and studied modern history for over half of my academic career. My parents lived right through the war and the Holocaust, in Germany. I personally also lived in Israel for some time. You don't have to lecture me on this. This thread started out with me grabbing headlines because it was a lazy and angry 's**tpost' while on the toilet. But it's a serious point. And before you ask, no, I'm not Normal Finkelstein. Not anywhere close to as smart or learned as he.
It's also disrespectful to both the Jewish community and those who suffered in the numerous atrocities since WW2. Of course, the CCP is a dictatorship that has only been getting worse since Xi, but it displays a bit of ignorance and prejudice to be posting everything you can grab from a Google search on Uighur suppression at the top of an economics job forum. I understand you want to air out your gripes against China at the most opportune time, but it trivializes everything else that has happened in the last 100 years, much of which you probably don't know or recall.
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Detainees have alleged widespread sexual torture, including forced abortions, forced use of contraceptive devices, compulsory sterilization, and rape. It has been reported that Han officials have been assigned to reside in the homes of Uyghurs who are in the camps.
Abortions, now Democrats are on the fence about what to do.
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85c9, I appreciate your intentions and where you are coming from, though. I just feel that, factually, it is a very important comparison to be making, and not just to charge the issue emotively and ensure it is taken seriously. If you haven't already, I urge you to read in detail what is suspected to be happening in the camps in China. If you have, and you disagree with me, I'm open to hearing your views.
But to be clear, I don't think two events have to be identical in order to be compared. They share remarkable similarities in many ways, and more importantly, they pose similar concerns and arguably even graver stakes. If emotional language is needed to draw attention, and if it will lead to a positive outcome, I'm all for it.
And in case you object to it, the term 'concentration camps' has been used in this way since at least the 19th century - far before what we're talking about.
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As I said earlier, unless it was deleted, I majored in economics and history. I've focused mostly on modern /economic/ history in particular, but have always been interested in these particular topics due to my own personal background. I've been on EJMR for years.
studied modern history for over half of my academic career.
So the reason you are posting on "Economics Job Market Rumours" is? How did you even find this forum?
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I've addressed the "concentration camp" point above.
To your main point, there is a long, long history in Xinjiang. I would urge you to read up about how Mao drove the Han ethnic group unto the Uyghur community in Xinjiang - it was a a long, slow campaign of quiet 'ethnic dilution', much like what is happening in Indian-administered Kashmir. Separatist terrorism always flares up in situations like this. Don't take the easy approach of taking sides based on one series of 'bad actions' without looking for what happened first.
So nobody knows that this was supposed to be a countermeasure to terrorism that frequently happened in Xinjiang before this? Not to say the "concentration camp" is justified because of that, but there is a cause. Why didn't the OP explain that?
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Why was this unstickied?
Wrong question. The right question is, why was an off-topic politics thread stickied on the front page? And the answer is, it shouldn't have been, and it's not anymore.
Oh, and before any anti-China nutter chimes in, I did not report the thread. I have not and will never report anything in off-topic. I only report off-topic posts in the econ subforums.