^but we need to protect the mirage of a happy household at any cost. I like kodak photos that look like a group of captives. other perfect fam pics may or may not include each fam member looking in a different direction and/or lack of physical intimacy (collection of individuals that live under the same roof). my favorite pics are those where a light touch is attempted but the photo screams: "honey, please don't be angry that I'm putting my hand on your shoulder. it's just for the pic. I promise I will not touch you again")
What will the 30+ yo unmarried millennial women do in the coming years
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I agree -- especially with your last point on the danger created by armies of angry single males. But modern dating culture and tinder have created a serious problem.
This will be disastrous if true. The children of single mothers are more likely to be basket cases and/or cr1minals. Just look at what happened to inner cities after the dissolution of the blck family in the 1970s. This societal rot will infect poor and middle class whyte communities as well. The children of rich single women will be socially awkward and lack emotional control. Meanwhile, without the prospect of romance or family life, many men will partially disengage from the labor market (reducing aggregate productivity) and either become never-do-wells or get lost in the cyber realm. Many of those that don't get lost in cyberspace will still be resentful and angry. Demagogues will take advantage of the situation to "give these men a purpose" in pursuit of revolutionary causes. If unchecked these trends will lead to national ruin. Healthy gender relations are a fundamental building block of society. That is why many nations historically placed checks on pr0miscuity to ensure domestic stability.
they will have to compete with 18-25 yo gen Z girls for the small fraction of eligible 30 yo male bachelors with solid careers
what will the consequences of this demographic trend be?It's pretty simple --millennial women are perfectly comfortable being single mothers to sperm-bank babies. They won't mind one bit being the sole parent, and they'll get to be selective of the genes that will lead to their children.
I think op is a single male who is hoping that such women who rejected him will somehow come to regret their choices. Spoiler: they won't! The future will have armies of unpartnered men who will toil in misery.
Overblown. Old people outnumbers young people too much. This is never happening. Besides, men today have too many vices they can retreat into. Failing that, they’d just off themselves in slightly larger numbers.
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^but we need to protect the mirage of a happy household at any cost. I like kodak photos that look like a group of captives. other perfect fam pics may or may not include each fam member looking in a different direction and/or lack of physical intimacy (collection of individuals that live under the same roof). my favorite pics are those where a light touch is attempted but the photo screams: "honey, please don't be angry that I'm putting my hand on your shoulder. it's just for the pic. I promise I will not touch you again")
What sort of family have you had? Consider therapy
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The guys posting here interact mostly with super highly educated women, who are real outliers in being single into their 30’s and having their first kids in their late 30’s or not at all. Normal girls with just a BA don’t usually have this problem.
You are correct that the societal doom predicted in this thread is hilariously overblown.
This thread is light on hard facts. I'm not saying you guys are wrong, but what are the statistics on marriage rates of millennials? I ask because I think a lot of discussions about culture and society are driven more by "vibes" (i.e. impressions based on social media) than actual trends.
Anecdotally, I am a college-educated guy in my mid-20s and most of the women I know are in stable long-term relationships. Very few are married, but that reflects their financial situations more than their openness to long-term partnership. -
I am a “super highly educated woman” but I met my now husband when I was 20 and married in my 20s. Waited to have a kid till I was 34, but regret it (honestly, I wanted to do it sooner, but my HRM professor husband wanted to wait until he had tenure).
That’s just an anecdote, but I can tell you more anecdotes about my female friends with PhDs that also coupled up young and had kids in their late 20s. My experience doesn’t match this stated pattern of women waiting into their late 30s.
The guys posting here interact mostly with super highly educated women, who are real outliers in being single into their 30’s and having their first kids in their late 30’s or not at all. Normal girls with just a BA don’t usually have this problem.
You are correct that the societal doom predicted in this thread is hilariously overblown.This thread is light on hard facts. I'm not saying you guys are wrong, but what are the statistics on marriage rates of millennials? I ask because I think a lot of discussions about culture and society are driven more by "vibes" (i.e. impressions based on social media) than actual trends.
Anecdotally, I am a college-educated guy in my mid-20s and most of the women I know are in stable long-term relationships. Very few are married, but that reflects their financial situations more than their openness to long-term partnership.
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Oh, by the way, my only two single friends from college (we are 37 now) are BAs. They’re also very nice. They just never found the right person.
what do you mean by the right person? do you think most of us like our wives? we even do everything to annoy them in the hope they'll get tired of us and dump our axx. it's called marriage!
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I am a “super highly educated woman” but I met my now husband when I was 20 and married in my 20s. Waited to have a kid till I was 34, but regret it (honestly, I wanted to do it sooner, but my HRM professor husband wanted to wait until he had tenure).
At the same time, my highly educated wife and I married in our 20s and started a family in our late 20s just as I entered the job market. It definitely negatively affected my research productivity. I ended up at a VLRM. It is a comfortable life, but colleagues and opportunities are not the same. Maybe I would have ended up here anyway but I am the most productive person in our department. I regret the decision to have our first so young (while I too do not regret the child).
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Oh, by the way, my only two single friends from college (we are 37 now) are BAs. They’re also very nice. They just never found the right person.
are you implying that people in unhappy marriages (which like 80 percent of them) found the right person?
Also, these women are 37 not 77. "They just never found the right person. They just never found the right person" sounds like they'll die tomorrow -
Oh, by the way, my only two single friends from college (we are 37 now) are BAs. They’re also very nice. They just never found the right person.
are you implying that people in unhappy marriages (which like 80 percent of them) found the right person?
Also, these women are 37 not 77. "They just never found the right person. They just never found the right person" sounds like they'll die tomorrowand before you object the statistic note that in the US 50 percent of marriages end up in divorce. the rest are those who stay for religious reasons, kids, fear of neighbors talking etc etc. society is sc/rewed up and you my dear ejmr bro are part of the problem.
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we get it, bro, except that it is not. it takes a lot of time to micromanage most men, especially emotionally immature and deeply insecure ones. (trust me, most dudes are. especially those born before 1980.) If you don't see it, you're part of the problem. an no, cleaning and cooking for 2 !=3.
Spoken like someone who never had a baby. Husbands at least know how to use the bathroom.
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That’s a good perspective. Thanks. I guess the grass is always greener. Best of luck to you.
I am a “super highly educated woman” but I met my now husband when I was 20 and married in my 20s. Waited to have a kid till I was 34, but regret it (honestly, I wanted to do it sooner, but my HRM professor husband wanted to wait until he had tenure).
At the same time, my highly educated wife and I married in our 20s and started a family in our late 20s just as I entered the job market. It definitely negatively affected my research productivity. I ended up at a VLRM. It is a comfortable life, but colleagues and opportunities are not the same. Maybe I would have ended up here anyway but I am the most productive person in our department. I regret the decision to have our first so young (while I too do not regret the child).
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we get it, bro, except that it is not. it takes a lot of time to micromanage most men, especially emotionally immature and deeply insecure ones. (trust me, most dudes are. especially those born before 1980.) If you don't see it, you're part of the problem. an no, cleaning and cooking for 2 !=3.
Spoken like someone who never had a baby. Husbands at least know how to use the bathroom.
spoken like someone who thinks wife is useless without him. sorry to break it to you bro but you cause more work than you think to your wife (mood, cleaning and handling your bs)
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btw, please ask, "what kind of parent are you?" to any bro (above 40) in your department. I can assure you that the majority would reply "we are...". Repeat the experiment a couple of times; you'll receive the same answer. It really tells you a LOT. It tells you these men have never parented. they are completely unable to parent without their wives telling them what to do.
yeah so let the woman parent and the man protect and provide. Define parenting. It’s not that hard. A father taking a son to a baseball game is parenting…
yes, boomer. raising an emotionally mature child requires a bit more effort than attending a baseball game. of course, one cannot expect an emotionally stunned man to know how to parent.
U r so progressive. #empowering
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yeah so let the woman parent and the man protect and provide. Define parenting. It’s not that hard. A father taking a son to a baseball game is parenting…
That's an uncle or grandpa's job. My father was hands-off even by 80s/90s standards and my mom was a SAHM but he still did a lot more than taking us to a game here and there.
The only way a father can do as little as you suggest is if you have grandparents living with you full time.
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they will have to compete with 18-25 yo gen Z girls for the small fraction of eligible 30 yo male bachelors with solid careers
what will the consequences of this demographic trend be?A musl1m taxi driver once told me that the only solution to this problem is to allow for poligamy, so that these women can have a long term relationship and have kids within wedlock.
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they will have to compete with 18-25 yo gen Z girls for the small fraction of eligible 30 yo male bachelors with solid careers
what will the consequences of this demographic trend be?A musl1m taxi driver once told me that the only solution to this problem is to allow for poligamy, so that these women can have a long term relationship and have kids within wedlock.
I'm 32 and will be amking 550k. I could support a few women and honestly I think there are many that would be okay with it
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continue to carousel ride and work their middle income job of nothing but zoom meetings and useless emails all day.
Just like most men.
You know, it's funny how nobody seems to struggle with the concept of false equivalences and double standards...when they work against men. When they work against women, everyone dutifully plays dum.