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1. Economist
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   Because we didn't care about Poland in 1939 and look where that got us.

   Out of curiosity, how many wars did China engage in since 1979? Also, there are no racial ideology in China simiar to Germany in the 1930s. The Uyghur deradicalization centres are made because of frequent terorist attacks from this particular group. Hui Muslims are not subject to deradicalization.

   In regards to South China Sea disputes. It is not a China problem. All other ASEAN countries are also disputing with each other about what portion of the Sea belongs to them. This is not even counting other border disputes in Asian seas (e.g. Malaysia vs. Indonesia).

   Let's have a candid two-way discussion. Give me some intuition into your assesment that China is 1930s Germany.

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2. Economist
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   Got some links for you my Chinese friend.

   Paper on racism in china.

   https://www.gwern.net/docs/genetics/selection/2013-anonymous-strategicconsequencesofchineseracism.pdf

   Reuters investigation on the military projects of the "most peaceful nation on earth"

   https://www.reuters.com/investigates/section/china-army/

   Uighur woman testifies before Congress that she "begged them to kill" her, that she was tortured and that she lost a child in the mass detention camp.

   https://time.com/5467628/china-uighur-congress-torture/

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3. Economist
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   Got some links for you my Chinese friend.
   Paper on racism in china.
   https://www.gwern.net/docs/genetics/selection/2013-anonymous-strategicconsequencesofchineseracism.pdf
   Reuters investigation on the military projects of the "most peaceful nation on earth"
   https://www.reuters.com/investigates/section/china-army/
   Uighur woman testifies before Congress that she "begged them to kill" her, that she was tortured and that she lost a child in the mass detention camp.
   https://time.com/5467628/china-uighur-congress-torture/

   The claims by the woman was refuted as fake news. Just like how someone can lie about assault for political gains. Similar to fake news about Uyghur musician when the next day he shows up. Or about Kim killing his delgation upon their return from the US, which turned to be COMPLETELY FALSE (they showed up for a meeting on air right after the report).

   https://news.cgtn.com/news/3441544e32494464776c6d636a4e6e62684a4856/index.html

   https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/31/did-kim-jong-un-execute-his-nuclear-negotiators-diplomacy-north-korea-kim-yong-chol-kim-hyok-chol-asia-nuclera-weapons/

   The other link on racism doesn't prove anything. Did you even read it? It just says racism is based on evoluation. The rest reads like a great novel with 0 empirical evidence.

   You're a product of self-confirmation bias. Just ask yourself: are there any equivalent racist groups in US/Europe that are also in China? The answer is no. There are no protests against any racial groups in China like we had in Charlottesville.

   The true reality is that the media have the need to sensationalize events. Deradicalization programs doesn't sound scary, but false stories about 3 million Uyghur in concentration camps (almost entire adult population of Uyghurs since there are only 10 Xinjiang)sounds more eye catching.

   Your beliefs are already formed about China, no matter what I tell you. The true reality is actually a lot less scary than you imagine.

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4. Economist
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   Who said that the woman was fake news?

   China has a problem with racism, the point is that you don't have any foreigners to complain about it.

   You know what, keep telling yourself that we are inventing all those things and that we just don't understand china.

   But you'll regret it the moment you do something that Xi or one of his million of cronies and minions dont like.

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5. Economist
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   Also you can see the woman testifying before Congress on yuuuh Tuhbe. She breaks out in tears and weeps when she tells how she was beaten and that her child died. Why would you unit believe her?
   Why do you rather believe people who are only interested in conserving their political power?

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6. Economist
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   Beijing is sending the trolls out en masse these last few days

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7. Economist
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   Who said that the woman was fake news?
   China has a problem with racism, the point is that you don't have any foreigners to complain about it.
   You know what, keep telling yourself that we are inventing all those things and that we just don't understand china.
   But you'll regret it the moment you do something that Xi or one of his million of cronies and minions dont like.

   Again, you provide no PROOF. The girl's own relatives were even surprised about her allegations since no camps that she described even exist. The enitre story was debunked.

   Then you say that there is racism without any proof, but insist this is because foreigners don't complain about racism in China. No. I will repeat: there is no racial ideology in today's China that resemble Germany in the 1930s at all. However, we do know there are racist movements in US/Europe where groups who openly denounce other ethnic groups hold open rallies. No such group exists in China.

   Then you claim that somehow Xi and millions of his cronies will get me. Have you even been to China? Go visit a park in Beijing or Shanghai where old people talk about politics, etc. Many have very bad remarks about certain policies and I can gaurantee you they will not be killed.

   You put on too many weights on fake data points to support your self-confirmed view. You're triggered that someone else don't believe in the same overhyped opinions as you.

   Even non-political beliefs like global warming can generate extreme disutility when confronted with alternative facts. This is human psychology. I'm telling you right now that many "facts" that support your already solidified beliefs are paper thin.

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8. Economist
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   Man please don't trust your government blindly.

   You are a human like me and I wish you all the best, but don't sell your dignity to Xi and his friends. Don't believe them.

   You can love China from all your heart and still be against the government.

   If you are outside of China try to read Liu Xiabo and Liao Yiwu. Great patriots and because they love china so much they show that the government are bandits who only care about themselves.

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9. Economist
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   Also I stated facts. There are so many sources. Reuters, AP, Bloomberg, NYT, Times Mag (which I cite) if you don't want it to be US, Deutsche Welle, TV5Monde, Euronews, The guardian, the Economist.

   Don't believe the media that the CCP controls.

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10. Economist
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    Same with people who provided proof of war atrocities and holding their government accountable. They were all promptly arrested and jailed. Guess what country this is?

    In short: China doesn't really deviate that much from other actors. I can also cherry pick stories to show other countries are evil. E.g. Russia hoaxes blown out of proportion.

    Lastly, this is important to emphasize. China has no racial ideology that is similar to Germany in the 1930s. Purging academics, businesmen, etc. because of their ethnic background, or openly denouncing other ethnic groups based on false assumptions, etc.

    You're being triggered, as you already complained by being "sick". This is a psychological defense because I am giving you other data points that goes against your beliefs that you already solidified and never change.

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11. Economist
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    I don't want to talk to you anymore.

    But when it comes to psychology I understand that when living in china the most sensible thing to do is to swim with the mainstream and that this also creeps into your head.

    The Chinese government is very different from all democratic governments.

    And there is racism in the language the government uses, emphasizing 5000 year history and so on, and of course in the treatment of ethnic minorities.

    I think we don't need to talk anymore.

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12. Economist
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    Also I stated facts. There are so many sources. Reuters, AP, Bloomberg, NYT, Times Mag (which I cite) if you don't want it to be US, Deutsche Welle, TV5Monde, Euronews, The guardian, the Economist.
    Don't believe the media that the CCP controls.

    Just don't understand why after coming to western world they still swipe weibo, wechat moment and their ccp controlled public account (公眾號), little red book (小紅書) for latest ccp controlled trend, zhihu for academic questions (note all questions before 2017 are all gone thanks to Xi)...

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13. Economist
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    I don't want to talk to you anymore.
    But when it comes to psychology I understand that when living in china the most sensible thing to do is to swim with the mainstream and that this also creeps into your head.
    The Chinese government is very different from all democratic governments.
    And there is racism in the language the government uses, emphasizing 5000 year history and so on, and of course in the treatment of ethnic minorities.
    I think we don't need to talk anymore.

    Yes there are people who are being arrested because they are going against the state in China. I'm not saying this is correct. I'm just saying China wasn't acting in a way that differs that greatly from other actors.

    This is ALSO practiced elsewhere. Did you forget that every whistle blower who were KNOWN and released facts about war astrocities were also promptly arrested and jailed? Just google this. Every SINGLE person. One was actually placed in basically house arrest for years.

    Even whistle blowers about tax havens were also arrested.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-12234139

    Your claim is that China is Germany in the 1930s. I am telling you that there is no racial ideology that is similar to Germany in the 1930s. The truth is that the Chinese are actually pretty progressive in how they view race relations.

    There are a lot of places that are a lot worse than China. E.g. places where you can be executed for being a homosexual.

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14. Economist
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    Same reason Muslims care about Indigenous issues in Canada.

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15. Economist
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    Same reason that both fart

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16. Economist
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    > Why do Americans care about protests in HK?
    cuz they fund it

    Precisely. Check this out

    Commercial Imperialism? Political Influence and Trade during the Cold War
    https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/aer.103.2.863

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17. Economist
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    To all CCP loving Chinese.

    You are only lying to yourself.

    Deep down in yourself you know that Xi is a fascist dictatorship, you know that the rule of the CCP is wrong, you know that the Uighurs are put in concentration camps, and you know that for the people who control china you are nothing more than dust great under their shoe soles.

    But you keep lying to yourself, because that is the price you pay to lead a normal life in china.

    You sell your dignity for a middle class flat in a high rise on the outskirts of Beijing and a middle class car.

    You sell yourself because if you wouldn't you'd have to ask yourself difficult questions. You'd have to ask yourself why you are actually living in china, you'd have to ask yourself why you don't stand up to Xi Jinping.

    But as much as you lie, you cannot change the truth.

    In the end you are only lying to yourselves.

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Post <blockquote><blockquote>The Americans aren't surely any apostles of peace nor do they have any shared history with HK. Why the sudden concern? Is there a connection between the trade war and the HK protests? Something looks fishy... </blockquote> Not only Americans but every bro in the world are watching and criticizing China. You guys always show narrow-minded perspective toward every stuff bc you are CCP.</blockquote>

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