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• Thread: 366 Goods vs 306 No Goods

1. Economist
   58a9
   

   Soccer sucks because it is a s**ttier version of hockey by virtually any metric. Slower? Yep. Less physical? Correct. Less scoring? Indeed. More pussified players? Correct, sir (See: hockey players returning to a match with 30+ stitches after taking a stick to the face).
   Seriously, f**k soccer and Eurobros who don't understand better sports like American Football, Baseball, Basketball and Hockey. There is a reason why the best continent in the world (North America) has rejected soccer in a big way.

   I have my doubts about North America being the best continent in the world, but I will agree that soccer is boring.

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2. Economist
   632d
   

   I hated soccer until my girlfriend forced me to watch it. Now I'm a big fan of it.

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3. Economist
   6b05
   

   I am an American and a soccer convert. I love it. I don't know how you could watch a game like yesterday's Dortmond/Rel Madrid match and not think it is exciting.

   I think a lot of the anti-soccer sentiment in the U.S. is subtle anti-globalism, usually by older men. It isn't a U.S. product, and so it must be inferior.

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4. Economist
   9c56
   

   I am an American and a soccer convert. I love it. I don't know how you could watch a game like yesterday's Dortmond/Rel Madrid match and not think it is exciting.
   I think a lot of the anti-soccer sentiment in the U.S. is subtle anti-globalism, usually by older men. It isn't a U.S. product, and so it must be inferior.

   Thanks for the psychological assessment, Freud. You're probably right. It's not like soccer is boring or that the players dive and act like massive p*ssies or that the officiating is crap or anything. It's just that we're xenophobic over here.

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5. Economist
   fdbf
   

   I am an American and a soccer convert. I love it. I don't know how you could watch a game like yesterday's Dortmond/Rel Madrid match and not think it is exciting.

   I think a lot of the anti-soccer sentiment in the U.S. is subtle anti-globalism, usually by older men. It isn't a U.S. product, and so it must be inferior.

   It's also possible to that soccer sucks and you have poor taste.

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6. Economist
   355b
   

   Definitely not xenopohbia in my part. To prove it, I enjoyed the 2006 world cup, and that semi final match of ita vs ger was the best game I've ever watched.. Ita vs ghana, and ita vs ukraine were also very good.

   The problem is that most games are very boring. Soccer has 2 problems

   1- too many games, and subbed players can't come back in. Quality of play can be really bad at these summer tournaments because of exhausted players

   2- no structure. If the players are in the mood to play, then it can be very good to watch, but unlike Baseball, or American Football, which are both structured to to guarantee that each team has to play to win, that does not exist in soccer. In many games, both teams play for a draw which means they essentially do nothing all game and put in very little effort

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7. Economist
   dc5a
   

   I am an American and a soccer convert. I love it. I don't know how you could watch a game like yesterday's Dortmond/Rel Madrid match and not think it is exciting.
   I think a lot of the anti-soccer sentiment in the U.S. is subtle anti-globalism, usually by older men. It isn't a U.S. product, and so it must be inferior.

   Thanks for the psychological assessment, Freud. You're probably right. It's not like soccer is boring or that the players dive and act like massive p*ssies or that the officiating is crap or anything. It's just that we're xenophobic over here.

   Old dude detected.

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8. Economist
   d877
   

   ^ 3rd problem: once a team goes ahead, the dominant strategy in the last X minutes is to delay the game as much as they can without actually playing.

   4: Diving and pretending injury by lying on the ground in order to get a bigger chance of a card awarded to the opponent

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9. Economist
   dc5a
   

   Definitely not xenopohbia in my part. To prove it, I enjoyed the 2006 world cup, and that semi final match of ita vs ger was the best game I've ever watched.. Ita vs ghana, and ita vs ukraine were also very good.
   The problem is that most games are very boring. Soccer has 2 problems
   1- too many games, and subbed players can't come back in. Quality of play can be really bad at these summer tournaments because of exhausted players
   2- no structure. If the players are in the mood to play, then it can be very good to watch, but unlike Baseball, or American Football, which are both structured to to guarantee that each team has to play to win, that does not exist in soccer. In many games, both teams play for a draw which means they essentially do nothing all game and put in very little effort

   I'll agree with you in football, to some extent. Most baseball games have absolutely zero urgency, and are boring even when they have it.

   In football, what you say is true of the top 1/2 of the standings. But the lack of relegation means there is no urgency on the bottom half. Indeed, teams are rewarded for being bad, with higher draft picks. Because of this effect, I find NCAA football much more entertaining than the NFL (when the games are between 2 even teams, which is only about 1/3 of the time). But it is hard to deny that good football games are fun to watch - though they last way too long.

   But I am a soccer fan as well, and find continental European soccer (I'm not a big fan of the EPL) to be my favorite sport to watch.

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10. Economist
    44e7
    

    Lol its not even a debate, Ronaldo has 1 million times more followers than Tom Brady or whoever is the face of american sports.

    Actually, who the f**k is the face of american sports? Only Michael Jordan came close in marketing, recognition as the soccer guys.

    Maybe its because Soccer is the sport of big moments. Its played with handsome players, with their face showing to the camera for everyone to see.

    American Fat Football is played in armour and helmets, lol. No one can see the players expressions. The big moments are a bunch of unreletable fat dudes in their burkhas, you can't distinguish who is who, and the celebration lasts 10 seconds, before the Jack in the Box commercial and the field goal and what not.

    Suck our cock, americans. Soccer is what movies are made of. Huge moments, huge oval stadiums, you see teh facial expressions of the players.

    Basketball is played in a gym, lol. No matter how big the moment is, its still hugely diminshed becuase its played in a f**king gym with no grandiouse aura to it.

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11. Economist
    e2cf
    

    Soccer is not popular in the US because there are not enough commercial breaks

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12. Economist
    dc5a
    

    Lol its not even a debate, Ronaldo has 1 million times more followers than Tom Brady or whoever is the face of american sports.
    Actually, who the f**k is the face of american sports? Only Michael Jordan came close in marketing, recognition as the soccer guys.
    Maybe its because Soccer is the sport of big moments. Its played with handsome players, with their face showing to the camera for everyone to see.
    American Fat Football is played in armour and helmets, lol. No one can see the players expressions. The big moments are a bunch of unreletable fat dudes in their burkhas, you can't distinguish who is who, and the celebration lasts 10 seconds, before the Jack in the Box commercial and the field goal and what not.
    Suck our cock, americans. Soccer is what movies are made of. Huge moments, huge oval stadiums, you see teh facial expressions of the players.
    Basketball is played in a gym, lol. No matter how big the moment is, its still hugely diminshed becuase its played in a f**king gym with no grandiouse aura to it.

    Man, I'm on his side in this debate, and yet I still think this is the Eurotrash equivalent of a Trump red-hat.

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13. Economist
    6ece
    

    soccer needs more commercials. how exciting is the NFL- we only have to watch a 20 second kickoff before we get to see several more minutes of commercials. then usually four plays taking about 3 or 4 minutes and then we get more commercials!

    seriously, can anyone actually watch a single NFL game with no distractions? I get the tailgating/drinking part, but the games are painful if u are actually forced to watch.

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14. Economist
    69cf
    

    Fellows, get this through your heads: playing football requires pedal coordination, which no other great sport remotely features; moreover, its actions last, as opposed to ending either with some foul or a point after some 20 seconds. Once you grasp this, the sensation scoring a goal with your feet or even your head after a worthwhile action delivers, be it through team or individual play, is truly appreciated. Football is also bristle with superior tactics and skill, again because of the average action duration; for yet again the same reason, football empowers your stamina like few other sports (viz., rugby and water polo). Football is additionally both agile and vigorous, unlike many presume: no substantial pads or armours slowing down players are necessary, but a ball in the face or a vicious tackle can indeed ruin your day, thence free kicks, penalties and cards for fouls and dangerous play. In a word, it is about playing the BALL, with organisation yet fantasy, not about consistently causing the opponent injuries.

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15. Economist
    2d69
    

    I hated soccer until my girlfriend forced me to watch it. Now I'm a big fan of it.

    Sounds like pegging.

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16. Economist
    f10f
    

    You guys don't get baseball at all. Yes, it's boring. But a baseball stadium is actually a perfect setting to negotiate a business deal, have a hot dog, and a beer. Chill!

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17. Economist
    f10f
    

    I used to watch soccer, but I just have rapidly lost interest in it. I don't like how the big clubs and leagues have just destroyed the competition. I find it boring seeing the same clubs dominate year in and year out. Sure there are surprise winners every now and then, but that doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things. I also don't like the fanatics who worship both Messi and Ronaldo. I don't like how stuck up the media is either. I really don't care about tactics or strategy like most people do. I'm more interested in the tables and history. And seeing the same teams and the same countries up top is just annoying. I'm an American, but I was once obsessed with soccer and can still remember useless historic info about it to this day. That's all the value it has left for me. It needs to change from an economic standpoint, for me to care about it again.

    You have just described the state of affairs in Formula 1 since circa 1980. I still love F1 and soccer.

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18. Economist
    f10f
    

    Soccer is not popular in the US because there are not enough commercial breaks

    Absolutely. The prime sports channels won't show it because there are no endless breaks to show the endless commercials. It's better to show basketball or baseball, where you get to show a one minute commercial for every one minute of game.

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19. Economist
    e6cb
    

    Stop talking s**t about Each Other Everyone has Opinions
    My opinion is soccer is the best sport and all the rest are boring and useless but thats just me i dont care what anyone thinks

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20. Economist
    f10f
    

    The football criticism is like in Formula 1 racing. A whole lot of Formula 1 critics say that F1 is boring because nothing happens during a two hour long race, and they're wrong (for one, more people follow F1 than any other sport, except football). Formula 1 is not about banging wheels with other cars and executing +100 overtakes like it happens in some NASCAR or IndyCar races. For a whole lot of teams, the entire F1 race is about meticulously planning their tire and fuel strategy to set up your opponent for just one decisive overtake in the whole race. Sometimes, what happens in the first lap of race effectively predicts how the race will end. Other times, you need to wait until the last lap of the race. Football is also sort of like that too.

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