In the Soviet Union, it was always known that anything coming from the government was to be treated with deep suspicion. It's one reason why cynicism is now so deeply embedded in the Russian culture, and in other post-Soviet states.
However, it seems like the Chinese will buy whatever Xi is selling. Hong Kong protests are run by the West, Uighurs are terrorists, Tibetans are illegitimate separatists. Why don't these people question the state line?
The thing I don't understand is they actually don't buy much of what the propaganda says about China itself. But for external matters (including Hong Kong, Taiwan and even Uighurs/Tibet), they quickly fall into the party's lines. The sense I get is that they don't necessarily trust the party, but the concept of "malicious foreign forces" is deeply imprinted in their minds.
The thing I don't understand is they actually don't buy much of what the propaganda says about China itself. But for external matters (including Hong Kong, Taiwan and even Uighurs/Tibet), they quickly fall into the party's lines. The sense I get is that they don't necessarily trust the party, but the concept of "malicious foreign forces" is deeply imprinted in their minds.
Lasting psychological legacy of the Opium Wars
What's there not to understand? The concept of "malicious foreign forces" is well justified. If EJMR is any guide to go by, it's pretty clear the west has a deep-seated and almost visceral aversion to China. (China hating is something both Democrats and Republicans can agree on, which is pretty amazing.) There is no good faith here. The question is whether the Chinese people should trust their own media, which is certainly biased but at least to some extent on their side or the foreign media, which secretly and now more and more overtly hopes for their downfall.
ha dude you should get up to date with the current situation in Russia. the masses are buying the state TV propaganda just fine
This.
The masses in Russia, are mega retarded.
Not trying to make the Chinese retardation look better.
They are both nations with incredible inferiority complexes.
(Even Dostoyevsky writes about Russians being inferior to Germans French and Englishmen)
They believe because they want to live the dream of superiority.
What's there not to understand? The concept of "malicious foreign forces" is well justified. If EJMR is any guide to go by, it's pretty clear the west has a deep-seated and almost visceral aversion to China. (China hating is something both Democrats and Republicans can agree on, which is pretty amazing.) There is no good faith here. The question is whether the Chinese people should trust their own media, which is certainly biased but at least to some extent on their side or the foreign media, which secretly and now more and more overtly hopes for their downfall.
Lol. Nobody had a problem with china until your emperor started holding military parades, militarizing the sea, putting the Uighurs in prison camps, and not stoping north korea from having nuclear weapons.
so us citizens believe other governments more than us government?Gosh, you third worlders are so uneducated.
Turn on CNN (not international, USA, you should be able to watch it over the internet)
The criticism of the current government is non stop, 24/7.
There is a sizeable portion of people who think that Donald Trump is more similar to Hitleer, than to any other US president.
If you have the chance visit a big US city, there will be a different group of people protesting everyday against something the government has or hasn't done.
this is irrelevant to my question. my question is do you believe foreign government more than your own government
ha dude you should get up to date with the current situation in Russia. the masses are buying the state TV propaganda just fine
This.
The masses in Russia are so behind the moon.
They think the cold war is still going.
Both china and Russia have massive inferiority complexes.
Even Dostoyevsky wrote about how Russians feel inferior to French, English, and Germans.
They believe because they want to believe, they want to feel superior.
so us citizens believe other governments more than us government?Gosh, you third worlders are so uneducated.
Turn on CNN (not international, USA, you should be able to watch it over the internet)
The criticism of the current government is non stop, 24/7.
There is a sizeable portion of people who think that Donald Trump is more similar to Hitleer, than to any other US president.
If you have the chance visit a big US city, there will be a different group of people protesting everyday against something the government has or hasn't done.this is irrelevant to my question. my question is do you believe foreign government more than your own government
My government does not make the news.
On certain issues, most certainly.
I'm in Europe, Germany to be exact, and I certainly believe the American government more on security issues (Russia, China, North Korea behaving aggressively) than I believe the German government (because it only want to sell more cars).
On other things I believe the German government more, but the Government is not one big monolith like it is in China.
The government doesn't make the news, neither does it control the country
The country I controlled by smaller institutions on local and regional level far more, than by the government.
And the news are made by free press.
so us citizens believe other governments more than us government?
Gosh, you third worlders are so uneducated.
Turn on CNN (not international, USA, you should be able to watch it over the internet)
The criticism of the current government is non stop, 24/7.
There is a sizeable portion of people who think that Donald Trump is more similar to Hitleer, than to any other US president.
If you have the chance visit a big US city, there will be a different group of people protesting everyday against something the government has or hasn't done.this is irrelevant to my question. my question is do you believe foreign government more than your own government
My government does not make the news.
On certain issues, most certainly.
I'm in Europe, Germany to be exact, and I certainly believe the American government more on security issues (Russia, China, North Korea behaving aggressively) than I believe the German government (because it only want to sell more cars).
On other things I believe the German government more, but the Government is not one big monolith like it is in China.
The government doesn't make the news, neither does it control the country
The country I controlled by smaller institutions on local and regional level far more, than by the government.
And the news are made by free press.
so you also believe media can not be tainted by economic reasons? the long run reputation of media is definitely enough to prevent any fake news?
Simple. We do not trust and probably hate CCP, but we trust US and British governments even less. Given how hostile the environmental here, I support any measures that contain foreign forces whether it comes from CCP or any party.
I just don't believe any foreign support for democracy is good for Chinese people. They just use the name. They don't want Chinese people to live a good life. They always have double standards. They just want Chinese men to do hard labor, and Chinese ladies to beg white men for marriage.
You think we are stupid, Anglo-Saxons? You were still barbarian when we were already civilized. We know better how to play politics.
What's there not to understand? The concept of "malicious foreign forces" is well justified. If EJMR is any guide to go by, it's pretty clear the west has a deep-seated and almost visceral aversion to China. (China hating is something both Democrats and Republicans can agree on, which is pretty amazing.) There is no good faith here. The question is whether the Chinese people should trust their own media, which is certainly biased but at least to some extent on their side or the foreign media, which secretly and now more and more overtly hopes for their downfall.
The thing I think you still struggle with is the concept of a market vs. central control. No-one is in charge of all foreign media. These are disparate organizations based in many different countries who need to compete with one another. There are well-documented biases, of course, but it's ludicrous to say they are all in one direction on any issue (e.g. China, but take your pick: global warming, gun control, Brexit, environmentalism). By sampling them all you can receive a range of views and information and form your own judgment.
On the other hand, in China your one source for information is literally the people who rule your lives. Why is your first reaction not a suspicion that their interests might not be aligned with yours?
What 5821 is posting is exactly in line with party propaganda.
The party wants to make itself look like your only bet in a world in which china is surrounded by enemies.
It makes out of a contest for ideas a contest of race.
Which aligns perfectly with whats written in this paper on racism in china
https://www.gwern.net/docs/2013-anonymous-strategicconsequencesofchineseracism.pdf
Also I tell you this:
If "the west" hated China so much, would we have alowed you to become rich?
Would we have tolerated you being a nuclear power?
We all thought that China would become a democracy.
Myself included.
When Xi became president I gave him two years, because I thought that his power grabbing would only make him unpopular among a nation that wants to trade peacefully.
Well, I was wrong.