Lots of Software Engineers and Engineering Managers at OpenAI are LRM. Even Aditya Ramesh only earned a BA in Computer Science at NYU, and many others have BAs from LRMs/VLRMs much weaker than NYU.
Didn't Google and Microsoft historically try to recruit students from top universities with high GPAs?
You should check out admissions these days. They are not the signal you think they are.
Putnam results seem to disagree. Maybe moreso than ever, talent sorting is working efficiently due to the common app. Perhaps some Blks are given a large admission boost through affirmative action, but the Blks at MIT are quite intelligent.
OP thinks computer nerds with no extracurricular and "service" are getting into Ivys.
You should check out admissions these days. They are not the signal you think they are.
But then, they are taking a watered down real analysis course (if anything at all) at a LRM. Maybe the OpenAI hires are taking grad level Math or CS courses at MRMs.
You should check out admissions these days. They are not the signal you think they are.Putnam results seem to disagree. Maybe moreso than ever, talent sorting is working efficiently due to the common app. Perhaps some Blks are given a large admission boost through affirmative action, but the Blks at MIT are quite intelligent.
Azns seem not to understand that turning every measure into a contest of cramming actually weakens the predictive power of these things for things of consequence.
You should check out admissions these days. They are not the signal you think they are.Putnam results seem to disagree. Maybe moreso than ever, talent sorting is working efficiently due to the common app. Perhaps some Blks are given a large admission boost through affirmative action, but the Blks at MIT are quite intelligent.
Azns seem not to understand that turning every measure into a contest of cramming actually weakens the predictive power of these things for things of consequence.
How so? If there is a competition, it makes sense to push yourself to cram if that is what is needed to succeed. Similarly, parents have a duty to do whatever they can to make their kids not become lemons. Most of the academic/intellectual elite in the US is Asian today, and that is because of IQ (largely through selection) and a culture of hard work and sacrifice.
You should check out admissions these days. They are not the signal you think they are.
Putnam results seem to disagree. Maybe moreso than ever, talent sorting is working efficiently due to the common app. Perhaps some Blks are given a large admission boost through affirmative action, but the Blks at MIT are quite intelligent.
Azns seem not to understand that turning every measure into a contest of cramming actually weakens the predictive power of these things for things of consequence.
How so? If there is a competition, it makes sense to push yourself to cram if that is what is needed to succeed. Similarly, parents have a duty to do whatever they can to make their kids not become lemons. Most of the academic/intellectual elite in the US is Asian today, and that is because of IQ (largely through selection) and a culture of hard work and sacrifice.
Please highlight the sentence of this ramble which responds to my point, which is that a math test becomes less predictive of overall math ability and aptitude for research to the extent it becomes heavily crammed and coached.
Do you think it is coincidental that all three fellows who won a Fields medal, and both that won the Nobel Prize in physics, took the test in the 40s and 50s?
Please highlight the sentence of this ramble which responds to my point, which is that a math test becomes less predictive of overall math ability and aptitude for research to the extent it becomes heavily crammed and coached.
Do you think it is coincidental that all three fellows who won a Fields medal, and both that won the Nobel Prize in physics, took the test in the 40s and 50s?
Sorry for not responding to your point. All I meant to say is it's not Azn's fault. Rational behavior is to maximize your own (or your kids') success on an exam that is associated with prestige, not to increase the predictive potential of that exam on later contributions to the field.
Please highlight the sentence of this ramble which responds to my point, which is that a math test becomes less predictive of overall math ability and aptitude for research to the extent it becomes heavily crammed and coached.
Do you think it is coincidental that all three fellows who won a Fields medal, and both that won the Nobel Prize in physics, took the test in the 40s and 50s?Sorry for not responding to your point. All I meant to say is it's not Azn's fault. Rational behavior is to maximize your own (or your kids') success on an exam that is associated with prestige, not to increase the predictive potential of that exam on later contributions to the field.
Oh I completely agree with that. It's certainly individually rational. Nor is it somehow sinister.
Lots of Software Engineers and Engineering Managers at OpenAI are LRM. Even Aditya Ramesh only earned a BA in Computer Science at NYU, and many others have BAs from LRMs/VLRMs much weaker than NYU.
Didn't Google and Microsoft historically try to recruit students from top universities with high GPAs?
No, they historically tried to recruit high IQ people regardless of where they went to university. Or even if they went to university.
Because coding is the one field where only ability matters. And there are many ways to demonstrate ability directly.
Hence Google became famous for the difficulty of its tech interviews. Also hired winners of programming and math contests, people who did lots of Project Euclid, high IQ people in non-CS fields like James Damore, people who got high SAT scores at a young age, open source developers, etc.
This is why SWE is the highest EV profession for high IQ people, ex ante. No cartels or artificial limits on supply. No gatekeepers or credential tests to enter. All you need is to demonstrate your ability.
Lots of Software Engineers and Engineering Managers at OpenAI are LRM. Even Aditya Ramesh only earned a BA in Computer Science at NYU, and many others have BAs from LRMs/VLRMs much weaker than NYU.
Didn't Google and Microsoft historically try to recruit students from top universities with high GPAs?No, they historically tried to recruit high IQ people regardless of where they went to university. Or even if they went to university.
Because coding is the one field where only ability matters. And there are many ways to demonstrate ability directly.
Hence Google became famous for the difficulty of its tech interviews. Also hired winners of programming and math contests, people who did lots of Project Euclid, high IQ people in non-CS fields like James Damore, people who got high SAT scores at a young age, open source developers, etc.
This is why SWE is the highest EV profession for high IQ people, ex ante. No cartels or artificial limits on supply. No gatekeepers or credential tests to enter. All you need is to demonstrate your ability.
Lots of Software Engineers and Engineering Managers at OpenAI are LRM. Even Aditya Ramesh only earned a BA in Computer Science at NYU, and many others have BAs from LRMs/VLRMs much weaker than NYU.
Didn't Google and Microsoft historically try to recruit students from top universities with high GPAs?No, they historically tried to recruit high IQ people regardless of where they went to university. Or even if they went to university.
Because coding is the one field where only ability matters. And there are many ways to demonstrate ability directly.
Hence Google became famous for the difficulty of its tech interviews. Also hired winners of programming and math contests, people who did lots of Project Euclid, high IQ people in non-CS fields like James Damore, people who got high SAT scores at a young age, open source developers, etc.
This is why SWE is the highest EV profession for high IQ people, ex ante. No cartels or artificial limits on supply. No gatekeepers or credential tests to enter. All you need is to demonstrate your ability.
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