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1. Economist
   7f41
   

   Simply false. Yes some can but this is a very small minority.

   Most white English speakers can find enough ancestors to get UK residency (and many already have). Afrikaners are SOL.
   

   A few years ago the number was 800k who either already had or could immediately get a UK passport (not just residency), plus 200k with similar status in Portugal. So for immediate residency in Europe that’s about one quarter of the white population and at least half of the native speakers.
   In other words, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

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2. Economist
   0c85
   

   I'm curious why that is.

   Media has no skin in the game

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3. Economist
   7408
   

   Week institution's

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4. Economist
   8be6
   

   The ANC is the poster child of the western media. Western media has been instrumental in the success of the ANC. They would never dare post anything too negative about them.
   Its no surprise that this gets no coverage. Its not a popular liberal topic. Land grabs in Zimbabwe also got relatively little media attention for a very long time.

   Only UK crypto-fascists cared about Zimbabwe land grabs, but they certainly enjoyed talking about it. Hint: if you refuse any sort of majority rule until after a brutal civil war, you can kiss goodbye to any mercy when the majority does take power.
   South Africa has somewhat less bad blood, better courts, and some people in the ANC who are far from stupid (Gordhan, say). Here’s hoping they make it work.

   This reminds me *so* damn much of what western academics' Soviet apologism looked like. Scream incoherently about how their enemies really deserved it, acknowledge that Stalin actually is kind of f**ked up, then make up some totally unwarranted expectation that moderate members of the party are going to limit his excesses. Newsflash: you're allowed to support the side that isn't actively calling for mass murderer or genocide. Even if they are a little richer and a little white on average.

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5. Economist
   9854
   

   This is why we need gun rights.

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6. Economist
   7f41
   

   I think most historians trace the rise of Mugabe to Rhodesia’s inability to compromise with more moderate alternatives until they had lost all legitimacy.

   Anyway, it isn’t clear who Stalin is in your analogy. There are multiple currents in the ANC and it isn’t clear to me at all that the anti-white factions are fated to Since white RSA decided not to defend its privileges with the gun, I think they are best served by identifying whom they can work wth rather than classing everyone as communist terrorists. Otherwise they play into the hands of the Malema types.

   Sorry for getting into country-specific details but RSA, Zimbabwe, and Russia are subtly different situations, believe it or not.

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7. Economist
   c86c
   

   This reminds me *so* damn much of what western academics' Soviet apologism looked like. Scream incoherently about how their enemies really deserved it, acknowledge that Stalin actually is kind of f**ked up, then make up some totally unwarranted expectation that moderate members of the party are going to limit his excesses. Newsflash: you're allowed to support the side that isn't actively calling for mass murderer or genocide. Even if they are a little richer and a little white on average.

   There are people here who will defend any kind of thing anyone on "Team Blue" does, no matter what.

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8. Economist
   c32d
   

   Curious what you guys are reading. Because all I see are parliamentary debates about land reform, not any actual widespread land-grabbing.

   https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/breaking-national-assembly-adopts-motion-on-land-expropriation-without-compensation-20180227

   So....exactly what I said. Parliamentary debates about expropriation, which will now be reviewed by the courts. It's kind of hard to care, even if this gets past the courts and is implemented, given that it is then, by definition, done via due process. I thought we were talking about farm invasions, to which I would obviously object. But apparently now even legal redistribution is justification for white nationalists to call for whites to be given refugee status in the US.

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9. Economist
   d55b
   

   ^ perhaps you missed the “without compensation” part?

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10. Economist
    d55b
    

    Simply false. Yes some can but this is a very small minority.

    Most white English speakers can find enough ancestors to get UK residency (and many already have). Afrikaners are SOL.
    

    A few years ago the number was 800k who either already had or could immediately get a UK passport (not just residency), plus 200k with similar status in Portugal. So for immediate residency in Europe that’s about one quarter of the white population and at least half of the native speakers.
    In other words, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    1/4 < 1/2, I.e. less than most.

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11. Economist
    a92a
    

    I tried to find something on CNN, but got a story on "South Africa the next Hollywood"...

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/01/africa/hollywood-cape-town-film-industry/index.html

    Surely Fox is reporting on it?

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12. Economist
    7b87
    

    Curious what you guys are reading. Because all I see are parliamentary debates about land reform, not any actual widespread land-grabbing.

    https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/breaking-national-assembly-adopts-motion-on-land-expropriation-without-compensation-20180227

    So....exactly what I said. Parliamentary debates about expropriation, which will now be reviewed by the courts. It's kind of hard to care, even if this gets past the courts and is implemented, given that it is then, by definition, done via due process. I thought we were talking about farm invasions, to which I would obviously object. But apparently now even legal redistribution is justification for white nationalists to call for whites to be given refugee status in the US.

    I understand your point: We should wait until atrocities have actually been committed to worry about them. The proposal and likely passage of laws to commit crimes is of no interest.

    Of course.

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13. Economist
    90d0
    

    Why should they? Whites invaded the country and seized blacks' lands. Now it is time to return the land to the actual owners. Nothing surprising here.
    

    I'm curious why that is.

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14. Economist
    ec55
    

    This got to be a joke? So anything is fine just because the courts are fine with it? You have any idea how many atrocities where "legal"? Ion guessing you thought Jim Crow and segregation was ok because the courts said it was ok right ? Ahah what a joke

    Curious what you guys are reading. Because all I see are parliamentary debates about land reform, not any actual widespread land-grabbing.

    https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/breaking-national-assembly-adopts-motion-on-land-expropriation-without-compensation-20180227

    So....exactly what I said. Parliamentary debates about expropriation, which will now be reviewed by the courts. It's kind of hard to care, even if this gets past the courts and is implemented, given that it is then, by definition, done via due process. I thought we were talking about farm invasions, to which I would obviously object. But apparently now even legal redistribution is justification for white nationalists to call for whites to be given refugee status in the US.

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15. Economist
    b7a8
    

    Why should they? Whites invaded the country and seized blacks' lands. Now it is time to return the land to the actual owners. Nothing surprising here.

    I'm curious why that is.

    The whites have too little skin in the game this way

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16. Economist
    c32d
    

    ITT: Brits and Americans who have never been to South Africa and know nothing about the place bemoan a parliamentary debate over and judicial review of redistributive policies and equate it to genocide.

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17. Economist
    9269
    

    I find it interesting how Mandela has escaped all criticism in this.

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18. Economist
    e96d
    

    ITT: Brits and Americans who have never been to South Africa and know nothing about the place bemoan a parliamentary debate over and judicial review of redistributive policies and equate it to genocide.

    “We’re not going to slaughter all the whites. For now.”

    The Zim disaster happened under the rule of law too. And the Nuremberg laws were laws of the German parliament, enforced by the German courts.

    Your move, Kofi.

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19. Economist
    b173
    

    Let us hope that the ANC will understand the consequences in time:

    banking crisis
    all foreign investors withdraw their funds
    farm land will go to waste

    SA->Zimbabwe

    Here is an article:

    https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2018-03-02-expropriation-could-trigger-economic-upheaval-but-will-it/

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20. Economist
    a92a
    

    I can only imagine what is going to happen there in the next few years. I hope people get out as soon as they can. But where will they go? They don't fit the type of "refugee" Germany would let in.

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